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johnheartpaul2018-04-15 09:43 am
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Alright, I want to know which one of you did this
There are some entertainment blogs and gossip columns out there that specialize in what are called "blind items." A blind item, for the uninitiated, is a news story, typically in places like those I just mentioned, in which the details of the matter are reported while the identities of the (usually famous) people involved are not revealed. In this blog age, everybody likes to throw in their tuppence on who the people in the blind might be, because it's never not been fun to speculate about the sordid lives of rich celebrities and feel better about our mundane ones by comparison.
Well, one of the major blind item-focused blogs on the Internet just posted this.
Quoting from the link above:
I'm not going to judge or punish, there's not much I could do on either count anyway, but I want to know which one of you thought anonymously submitting this to a major entertainment blog -- that I know for a fact is read (and occasionally authored) by celebrities -- was a good idea.
It's one thing to try and prod the truth out (although there is certainly a time, place, and method for that which would be much more ideal); it's another to include unfounded bullshit in the process, and to possibly hurt other people (some of whom may or may not be part of this community) who might be sussed out as potential sources of privileged information.
Well, one of the major blind item-focused blogs on the Internet just posted this.
Quoting from the link above:
One closeted half of one of the best bands ever was having an affair, rivaling that of Shakespeare, with his long dead bandmate. The two first met prostituting when they were around 15 as they were incredibly poor. When that backfired, one suggested mugging dudes in back alleys but the more violently perceived one couldn't do it, so they started an empire.I don't think I need to draw you a picture of who this blind is about. Anyone in this community could spot the clues a mile away. (Shit, just realized that making it blind item "#9" that day is another total giveaway.) Now, it would be one thing if it was just the bare details, but this particular item verges into speculation that has never been confirmed (and, at least so far as I know, is false) -- speculation that I've only seen in this community.
Despite the fact they were estranged for the late halves of their lives, they often booked rooms in hotels under different names and their public feud was just for show, much like most of their lives. As well as this they ghost wrote some of the most famous songs ever for each other, and called each other regularly. Their relationship in its day, though not public was an open secret, especially to their rock buddies who admired the couple greatly.
The wife of the deceased member of this couple has no idea and would probably scream if she found out. The wife of the other knew about it, supported it and just wanted her husband to be happy even if that meant abandoning the kids.
During their reign, they threw bricks at each-others windows, tried to fight each-others girlfriends, publicly screamed about how much they missed each other at parties, spiralled into depression, took copious amounts of drugs and alcohol, and were planning to "reunite" and get a old man farm together before one half's unfortunate death.
The alive one, who is considered a bit lame, still loves his other half immensely and plans to release a tell-all once the banshee dies as he wants to preserve their relationship and finally tell the truth about the ordeal.
Truly a sad story indeed.
I'm not going to judge or punish, there's not much I could do on either count anyway, but I want to know which one of you thought anonymously submitting this to a major entertainment blog -- that I know for a fact is read (and occasionally authored) by celebrities -- was a good idea.
It's one thing to try and prod the truth out (although there is certainly a time, place, and method for that which would be much more ideal); it's another to include unfounded bullshit in the process, and to possibly hurt other people (some of whom may or may not be part of this community) who might be sussed out as potential sources of privileged information.
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This is extremely serious and who did this should give an explanation. I’ve never seen a proof that they were prostitutes, where does that come from? There are even pictures and recordings from the day they met! Also John wasn’t extremely poor.
Don’t do stuff like this if you’re bored, they have children and imagine them reading that or knowing about that post and telling Paul or Yoko? Why do you do this?!
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As for the questions you raise... I've seen both the prostitution and ghostwriting angles explored in this community, sometimes not directly here but on the personal blogs of people who write here. Unless we have a wider readership than we thought, it could only be someone who at least reads what is posted here.
The author of the item went on to provide more information in the comments section of that entry, all but spelling it out (and clarifying poor word choice, like the "extremely poor" thing). They might as well have written a damn roadmap. (Unfortunately, some of it is also demonstrably wrong; I can say from my knowledge that if it happened, Yoko did know about it, or else she wouldn't have been at daggers drawn with Paul for decades. If she didn't know it upfront, she definitely found out later.)
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Yeah, I don’t think Yoko didn’t know. Correct me if I’m wrong but wasn’t she the one who said that Paul was known as John’s princess by apple employees?
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It's worth noting that the above blind item GB posted was not by Enty but in his new "reader submitted blind items" section. While Enty claims to vet his own blind items (and some have proven true) no investigation is done into the "reader submitted" ones, which often seem more like wistful fantasies. Indeed there is speculation Enty may have turned the blog over to someone else recently because the quality has declined/changed somewhat (getting rid of all the content except blind items and adding these "reader submitted" ones which aren't checked at all. Enty used to write non-blind item content frequently and used to mention how he never, ever wrote blind items based on content sent to him by anonymous readers, it had to be stuff he had personal knowledge of, because rabid fans would try and anonymously submit fake stories to boost their faves or slander celebrities they didn't like and there was no way he had the resources to check such things).
The person who wrote this one admitted in the comments to having no actual personal connection to the Beatles, nevermind anything which would give them access to such info. I would guess they're probably in their teens or twenties. They seem to have written this fantasy based on a mish mash of JHP/McLennon community stories and fics. I base the guess of their age on their writing seeming Tumblr-like (a giant haven for fanfic of all types) and them slipping up on actual Beatles facts that probably happened long before they were born (for example, thinking Paul & Linda had divorced, stating both men came from poverty, confusing the timeline etc).
The bit about Paul & John being extremely poor teen prostitutes were mugged guys for money sounds a lot like a fic I once read ages ago on the old LJ community (sorry I don't remember the author). Other bits I recognize as cribbed from other fanfics (for example, yes_2day). If I was a follower of Beatles fanfic on Tumblr, I suspect I would recognize other parts of the story. I know this blind item touches on one of the cliches now in J/P fanfic: to paint Yoko as a crazy villain for learning about her husband's affair, while Linda is portrayed is a patient saint who is happy to disappear while her husband fucks someone else.
For some reason, I find the funniest bit the writer's claim (in the comments) that Paul McCartney ghostwrites for Taylor Swift. It's absurd for a bunch of reasons in reality, but aside from that it's funny because it has nothing to do with the original story. It seems like exactly the type of silly thing that would be added by a young fan who likes both artists but doesn't know enough about either.
The real Enty has written only three blind items about Paul over the years, none of them negative. (Enty reveals the answers to his blind items.)
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Also, do you want me to post this on tumblr? It could very well be someone from there.
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Truly offensive thing to post on a blog. Seeking to provoke a response? This kind of item would only provoke one of two responses from Paul: a contemptuous but dignified silence, or a firm denial.
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As for Point 3, I mean, in the era when John was practically canonized, Paul was kind of regarded as the lame one. John got way more brownie points with the American rock press than Paul throughout the Seventies as well, and some of the effects of that still lingers in the public consciousness. I don't think he's the lame one at all, but I can see why someone writing the blind item would go with calling him the lame one.
All I can do is shake my head over it all.
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So I guess what I'm saying is that the blind item says more about the person who wrote it than the subjects of her post.
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Is there any truth to the rumor in there that Paul is waiting to reveal this info after Yoko dies?
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First comment (for context, the mention of necrophilia was a reference to many in the comments section being squicked out by the poorly worded first sentence, which was so mangled grammatically that it could suggest cracking open a cold one, so to speak):
"Casually fake married"? Isn't that a pull from the fic We Were in Love? Yeah, my suspicions are confirmed. It's definitely someone from here.
Continuing the quotespam, this one was in response to someone thanking them for the blind (also, John and Paul were frequently guessed in the comments section, for context):
They also later clarified that the reference to ghostwriting for Taylor Swift specifically meant that the figure I'll just call Paul wrote for her under another name.
The ghostwriting thing in particular bugs me, because it sounds very specifically like something the person
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Honestly, I wouldn't worry too much. People have an amazing capacity for self-delusion and not seeing what's right in front of their faces. I don't think anyone takes CDAN seriously...and as for the families and kids...they've probably long since learned to ignore or look away.
I have to laugh hilariously at the posters on there saying, 'i've never heard any rumors about John or Paul?" Really? Because it was the sixties, folks.
I have to agree with others, the idea that Yoko doesn't know is completely unbelievable. It has always seemed to me like she and Paul were deliberately provoking each other through the press, one says something and then lo and behold, the other makes an off-hand comment in an interview... Then a year later, something else comes up.
It's almost like they're playing gay chicken, but Yoko won pretty decisively when she put out that quote about John had thought about having an affair with a man. It was overt enough that it really made me wonder why she'd done it, was there some dispute or arugument between her and Paul --over royalites or something? Because it sounds a bit like a challenge....to Paul. And granted, he's been busy with his own life, but I haven't seen interviews where he's talking about John lately. Almost like he's shut up. Except in song, because he still plays the song he wrote for John at every concert, right?
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Basically, one of our members liked to free-associate; it was a little like PID theorists, to a certain extent, without wishing to sound unkind. She started seeing "clues" about her particular theory of John and Paul's relationship in other popular songs from the Sixties through today, and came to the conclusion that they (and, of course, after John died, just Paul, though on occasion she was even heard to doubt whether or not John had actually died) were ghostwriting stuff to, and about, each other through major artists, and that other major artists had written songs about them. It never really took hold with anyone but her, but she posted fairly frequently, usually in the comments section or on her own journal, about it.
(From personal, albeit second-hand, knowledge, I can state that John and Paul, usually more Paul, may have ghostwritten stuff for other people over the years, and it's within the realm of reason, given the nature of songwriting, that they might have been inspired by their relationship at times when they did so, but it was never at the prolific rate she suggested, which had John and Paul responsible for not just their own songs, but John writing most of the lyrics credited to George in the boys' oeuvre, and John and Paul -- separately or together -- being mostly responsible for the classic rock songbook of the mid-late 20th and early 21st centuries, either via ghostwriting or being the subject of the material.)
Honestly, I wouldn't worry too much.
The only reason that I do worry is that there are hallmarks that make it pretty clear that the person who submitted it either was/is a member of the community, or has read it frequently. And the only reason that bothers me is that there are people who read and post to this community who do know the truth first-hand, or at least have some idea second-hand, and I don't want the finger of blame to be pointed at them in the event someone important reads it and connects the dots that theorizing and fic elements from here are in the blind. (If anyone thinks they're not aware of this community, they are very aware and some read it at their leisure from time to time.)
...I haven't seen interviews where he's talking about John lately. Almost like he's shut up. Except in song, because he still plays the song he wrote for John at every concert, right?
He does still sing "Here Today," yes.
Also, he and Nancy recently participated in the New York "March for Our Lives" in support of gun control (many celebrities took to the streets all over the country, but Paul was the one CNN shoved a microphone at), and when he was interviewed, wearing a "We Can End Gun Violence" T-shirt no less, he referred to his motivation for marching in no uncertain terms: "One of my best friends was killed by gun violence right 'round here." (Smart move, in my opinion, whether one supports gun control or not; he was making the valid point that gun violence has been around since way before Columbine. Connecting the past to the present is tougher than it looks, but it lends grounding and a deeper meaning to the march.)
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I had forgotten about the March for our lives! I was also marching that day and I was so so pleased to hear that comment from Paul. Also another point is that one of the earlier pushes for gun control came after Reagan's attempted assasination, where bystanders were severely injured.
The fact that Paul still feels John's loss keenly enough to act on it, and reference it after all of these years..is amazing.
Of course, the whole reason that I'm here is because I always--from the first time that I heard 'How do you sleep' thought that there must be something more to their relationship to account for that animosity. I even read several biographies frankly hoping to get a hint but 'it' -the idea of their relationship being more than friends or musical partners-was always dismissed or not discussed. Then at this late date, I ran across the McLennon big bang by chance, followed the fanfic and discovered this community!
Thank you for existing, is what I'm trying to say...
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I wouldn't be too surprised if it does end up true. The Beatles were rock stars after all . . .
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The age thing in that item does bother me, but only to the extent that it's true, and as you point out, it very well may not be. However, that disclaimer is usually just to prevent legal action against them in case the identity of the item's subject isn't hidden quite so carefully and the subject gets litigious.
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However, I have noticed the other comments, and you are correct; while a lot of people are guessing John and Paul, most of them don't believe it, or are trying to relate it to other Sixties stars (Syd Barrett and Roger Waters from Pink Floyd, two of the Rolling Stones) or even wildly wrong guesses of Seventies and Eighties stars (including ABBA, or Prince and one of his bandmates). So maybe I'm worried over nothing. But I still worry, you know?
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It wasn’t me!
Whoever it was, though, hit me up! We’ll talk! 😂
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